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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill

Debate on bills on Thursday, 17 May 2007, in the House of Commons.
Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Report stage first day. New clause 29, discussed with New Clauses 30 and 35, debated and negatived on division. New Clauses 8 to 11, 2, 7, 3, 12 to 21 agreed to. Amendments made to Bill.

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Reference

460 c775-864 

Session

2006-07

Department

Department for Communities and Local Government

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. As amended in Public Bill Committee.
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Thursday, 17 May 2007
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Proceeding contributions

Speaker | 460 c864 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his point of order, but it is not something for the Chair to rule on....
Phil Woolas | 460 c841 (Link to this contribution) Let me make two points. First, the debate is being conducted on the false premise that patient forum...

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Norman Lamb | 460 c864 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Have you received any notice from the Secretary of State ...
Phil Woolas | 460 c840 (Link to this contribution) Let me make some progress and we will see whether I have failed to cover the relevant points. Some ...
John Baron | 460 c840-1 (Link to this contribution) Let me bring the Minister back to the issue of inspections. With all due respect to him, he is creat...
Phil Woolas | 460 c840 (Link to this contribution) But that is not the argument that I am pursuing. We are not debating the entirety of how health and ...
Paul Truswell | 460 c839-40 (Link to this contribution) May I take the Minister back to the example I cited of the independent sector treatment centre? The ...
Phil Woolas | 460 c839 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to make the point that the change in the service rather than that in the service provide...
Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c839 (Link to this contribution) Transferring a service—for example, scanning—to the private sector is what I mean by ““significant c...
Phil Woolas | 460 c824-6 (Link to this contribution) I can, and I know of my hon. Friend’s interest in the matter. The Bill does the opposite; it strengt...
John Baron | 460 c826-9 (Link to this contribution) I welcome some of the Minister’s amendments; it is clear that the Government have, to a certain exte...
Phil Woolas | 460 c823-4 (Link to this contribution) That too is a reasonable point. I think independence can be guaranteed though the active encourageme...
Paul Truswell | 460 c824 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will be aware of concerns that the Bill diminishes and dilutes the obligation on heal...
Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c831-3 (Link to this contribution) I support amendment No. 249 to clause 182, in my name and those of my hon. Friends the Members for B...
David Burrowes | 460 c829 (Link to this contribution) I commend my hon. Friend’s case for the importance of a statutory definition of the word ““inspect””...
John Baron | 460 c829-31 (Link to this contribution) I very much agree with my hon. Friend. We probed the Government on that point in Committee, but as y...
Robert Neill | 460 c823 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that helpful reply. The only difference, I think, is this. The peo...
Phil Woolas | 460 c823 (Link to this contribution) As ever, the hon. Gentleman has made a measured contribution. There are two answers to his question....
Robert Neill | 460 c823 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his courtesy, as ever. I understand the way in which the funds wi...
David Burrowes | 460 c836-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak particularly to amendment No. 78, moved by my hon. Friend the Member for Billericay (M...
John Baron | 460 c837 (Link to this contribution) One of the specific questions that I put to the Minister concerned conflict of interest. Under the B...
Phil Woolas | 460 c837 (Link to this contribution) There is a huge difference between the host organisation and the LINKs organisation. Were there to b...
John Baron | 460 c838 (Link to this contribution) I accept that the local authority will have a say, but that still does not address the central issue...
Phil Woolas | 460 c838-9 (Link to this contribution) Half an hour ago, the hon. Gentleman voted for an amendment to prevent ring-fencing, yet now he is t...
Paul Truswell | 460 c834-5 (Link to this contribution) I shall touch on three issues that hon. Members have already raised. The first is the abolition of p...
Tom Brake | 460 c833 (Link to this contribution) I shall not go over arguments made in Committee about LINKs and their funding, representation on tho...
Alison Seabeck | 460 c835-6 (Link to this contribution) I rise to point out concerns that were drawn to my attention by my local patients forum at a recent ...
Philip Dunne | 460 c835 (Link to this contribution) I want to make two brief comments in support of the amendments of my hon. Friend the Member for Bill...
Alistair Burt | 460 c784 (Link to this contribution) I note the hon. Gentleman’s comment. What happened was balanced by the fact that I lost the only Lab...
Daniel Kawczynski | 460 c784 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will know that we made big gains in Shropshire, where we were all campaigning vehemen...
Lord Stunell | 460 c785 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the rumours that I have heard about civil servants actively seeking t...
Alistair Burt | 460 c785-8 (Link to this contribution) I am not, but I am not surprised to hear that. The danger is that we can set formal limits, then alo...
Speaker | 460 c784 (Link to this contribution) Order. We have had an amusing little diversion, but perhaps we can return strictly to the terms of t...
Alistair Burt | 460 c784-5 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. I am grateful for your indulgence, Mr. Deputy Speaker. My hon. Friend speaks well, and it is...
Nick Raynsford | 460 c790 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend recognise that for those involved in the manufacture of building materials and t...
Martin Caton | 460 c790 (Link to this contribution) I agree that that is part of the answer, and the Government have a good programme leading up to 2016...
Patrick Hall | 460 c789 (Link to this contribution) I am following my hon. Friend’s points carefully, and I certainly agree with the thrust of what he i...
Martin Caton | 460 c788-9 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to amendment No. 253, which is in my name and that of 80 other Members from across t...
Martin Caton | 460 c790 (Link to this contribution) That is certainly what the Home Builders Federation is saying. When I introduced my private Member’s...
David Howarth | 460 c790 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman—he is my hon. Friend on this matter—for giving way and I apologise for no...
David Howarth | 460 c790 (Link to this contribution) I heard that bit and it was very good. Does he agree that another answer to what the right hon. Memb...
Martin Caton | 460 c790-1 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right. As for the consultation on the planning policy statement on planning and ...
Robert Neill | 460 c791-2 (Link to this contribution) I very much welcome amendment No. 253, tabled by the hon. Member for Gower (Mr. Caton), which deals ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c792 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the hon. Gentleman will forgive me for mentioning this, but was it not a Conservative Go...
Lord Deben | 460 c792 (Link to this contribution) While we are having the history lesson, would my hon. Friend like to remind the House that because o...
Robert Neill | 460 c792 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I am grateful for the history lesson and some of us learn from history, which is why many Conse...
Robert Neill | 460 c792-3 (Link to this contribution) I understand my right hon. Friend’s point, and I am now led to conclude that I was right to adopt my...
Lord Stunell | 460 c775 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 460 c775-7 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 30—National Partnership Scheme...
Lord Stunell | 460 c777 (Link to this contribution) The new clause is simple and straightforward and should be added to the Bill. The Government have re...
Tom Brake | 460 c778 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that Sir Michael’s contention about greater centralisation is reinforced b...
Lord Stunell | 460 c778 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right—or rather the statistics from the Department for Communities and Local Gover...
Speaker | 460 c779 (Link to this contribution) Order. It is perfectly in order for the hon. Gentleman to comment on any of the amendments or new cl...
Lord Stunell | 460 c778-9 (Link to this contribution) The Minister makes a case, but it is not a particularly good one because many local authorities beli...
Phil Woolas | 460 c778 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, I was aware of the answer given to the hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Bra...
Lord Stunell | 460 c778 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give way to the Minister—I feel good news coming.
Lord Stunell | 460 c780 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give way to the right hon. Gentleman, who is an expert in these matters.
Nick Raynsford | 460 c780 (Link to this contribution) I share the hon. Gentleman’s objective—and that of the Government—of giving greater discretion and a...
Lord Stunell | 460 c779-80 (Link to this contribution) It is certainly right that there should be fair shares. I accept that. However, what many people fin...
Lord Stunell | 460 c779 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. In that case, I draw the House’s attention to the further n...
Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c779 (Link to this contribution) Apropos the hon. Gentleman’s last comments, is it not important for the Government to try to ensure ...
Lord Stunell | 460 c781 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is quoting from new clause 29. I am more than happy to respond, although at...
Nick Raynsford | 460 c781 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman said that his measure was not simply about the number of targets, plans or other ...
Lord Stunell | 460 c781-2 (Link to this contribution) I certainly agree with my hon. Friend. Many people in local government find it difficult to understa...
Mike Hancock | 460 c781 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend believe that part of the problem is the fact that many local authorities are at ...
Lord Stunell | 460 c780-1 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his contribution, which sounded just like the comments of local...
Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c784 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman omitted to mention the fact that in our own county of Bedfordshire Labour regaine...
Nick Raynsford | 460 c782-3 (Link to this contribution) Given the grouping of the amendments, I shall not follow the specific issues raised by the hon. Memb...
Alistair Burt | 460 c783 (Link to this contribution) Given the wide-ranging nature of the first group of amendments, I shall not follow the remarks of th...
Alistair Burt | 460 c783-4 (Link to this contribution) For my hon. Friend and me. I enjoy that contact with the right hon. Gentleman and I thank him for hi...
Phil Woolas | 460 c811 (Link to this contribution) I have watched the hon. Gentleman’s progress since the election with interest. He needs to learn tha...
Lord Barker of Battle | 460 c811 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the Minister says, and we understand that he is in earnest, but we have heard it all bef...
Phil Woolas | 460 c810-1 (Link to this contribution) The proposition is that we are along way behind our partners in Europe. I accept that. However, my r...
Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c810 (Link to this contribution) Whatever is done, should we not recognise that we are long way behind those on the continent of Euro...
Phil Woolas | 460 c809-10 (Link to this contribution) I will of course do as the hon. Gentleman asks. We do not want to over-burden public authorities wit...
Robert Neill | 460 c809 (Link to this contribution) I remember the discussion in Committee. The one concern that I am left with is the degree to which t...
Phil Woolas | 460 c808-9 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a valid point and rings a bell of warning about what might be going on in the l...
Alison Seabeck | 460 c808 (Link to this contribution) I know that my hon. Friend is in full flow, so I thank him for giving way. He mentioned the addition...
Phil Woolas | 460 c806-8 (Link to this contribution) I sincerely thank Members on both sides of the House for contributing to our well-informed and const...
Lord Barker of Battle | 460 c805 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not having been present for the opening of the debate. I wish to speak briefly abou...
Neil Turner | 460 c804-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend anticipates the point I am about to make. As a result of the last local elections, 32...
Peter Soulsby | 460 c805-6 (Link to this contribution) I want to comment briefly on four amendments. First, I welcome the amendments in the name of my righ...
Lord Deben | 460 c803 (Link to this contribution) Yet 48 per cent. of the houses built last year did not meet the building regulations that the right ...
Nick Raynsford | 460 c803 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for saying that he would trust me, but I was actually the ...
Andrew Gwynne | 460 c804 (Link to this contribution) May I declare an interest in that I am a member of Tameside metropolitan borough council? My hon. Fr...
Neil Turner | 460 c803-4 (Link to this contribution) I support Government amendments Nos. 26 to 28, which rightly recognise the role of transport in loca...
Lord Deben | 460 c801-2 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the House for not being present at the beginning of the debate. I had not intended to...
Lord Deben | 460 c802-3 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman would have my entire support were it not for my belief that if we allow tha...
Alistair Burt | 460 c822 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The House has just voted on an amendment about energy effic...
Phil Woolas | 460 c822 (Link to this contribution) [Interruption.]Apologies, I could not hear what you said, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Government amendment ...
Speaker | 460 c822 (Link to this contribution) Order. I must deal with the question that I am putting to the House.
Alistair Burt | 460 c822 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I ask whether you have had any request from the Minister fo...
Phil Woolas | 460 c822-3 (Link to this contribution) I apologise if I contributed to the confusion, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Part 13 fits with the overarchin...
Speaker | 460 c822 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman is attempting to start again the debate that we have just completed. We mu...
Phil Woolas | 460 c821 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 32, page 121, line 15, at end insert—
Speaker | 460 c821-2 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Amendment No. 76, page 121, line 23, at en...
Speaker | 460 c820 (Link to this contribution) Order. We must deal with the amendments before points of order.
Phil Woolas | 460 c812 (Link to this contribution) I really must make progress. The right hon. Gentleman has had his opportunity to speak, and there ar...
Phil Woolas | 460 c812 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Member for North-East Bedfordshire (Alistair Burt),
Phil Woolas | 460 c812-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is a reasonable man, but on this occasion he has clearly not listened to my respo...
Alistair Burt | 460 c812 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister; I know that he wants to move on, but I want to make an important poin...
Alistair Burt | 460 c820 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker—
Tom Brake | 460 c813 (Link to this contribution) There is much that we can welcome in what the Minister said, particularly the extension of the list ...
Phil Woolas | 460 c811-2 (Link to this contribution) Let me finish my point before Opposition Whips start heckling, as they usually do when a point is ma...
Mike Hancock | 460 c797-8 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way later, if time permits. Others wish to speak and I want to deal with the amendments...
David Howarth | 460 c799 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. The argument about the supply chain misses the important point that there is a differen...
Lord Deben | 460 c799 (Link to this contribution) Is it not only in ignorance of the way in which housing is built that the Minister puts forward his ...
David Howarth | 460 c798-9 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to speak in favour of amendment No. 253, mainly to put on the public record my thanks...
David Anderson | 460 c800-1 (Link to this contribution) I support the comments made earlier by my hon. Friend the Member for Luton, North (Kelvin Hopkins). ...
David Howarth | 460 c799 (Link to this contribution) Yes, the right hon. Gentleman is going further than I was, and making the very good point that build...
Nick Raynsford | 460 c799 (Link to this contribution) For the avoidance of any doubt, I should make clear my declared interest in the Register of Members’...
David Burrowes | 460 c793-4 (Link to this contribution) Will the statutory duty to co-operate deliver what everyone wants to achieve? The example of primary...
Robert Neill | 460 c794-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend raises a hugely important point. Although we have not yet reached the degree of crisi...
Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c795-6 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak briefly, because there is a lot of business to transact. First, I commend my hon. Frie...
Mike Hancock | 460 c796 (Link to this contribution) Let me start by dealing with some of the comments of the hon. Member for North-East Bedfordshire (Al...
David Anderson | 460 c796 (Link to this contribution) In Tory-free Gateshead, the Tories held on to what they had: they had nothing and they got nothing.
Mike Hancock | 460 c796 (Link to this contribution) They got no more than they deserved.
Alistair Burt | 460 c796 (Link to this contribution) It is difficult for the hon. Gentleman, try as he might, from a position of having lost 246 councill...
Mike Hancock | 460 c797 (Link to this contribution) Fine. I only hope that that will translate into wholehearted support for local government and what i...
Nick Raynsford | 460 c802 (Link to this contribution) If the situation were as the right hon. Gentleman has depicted it, his argument would have a great d...
Mike Hancock | 460 c796 (Link to this contribution) I was not defending my position but attacking the hon. Gentleman’s holier-than-thou gloating, the li...
Phil Woolas | 460 c837 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Billericay (Mr. Baron) began by saying that there were still unanswered question...
David Howarth | 460 c800 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I do not. That would be an argument against having different standards—level 6, lev...

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Health services
Local government

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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill 2006-07

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