Identity Cards Bill. Consideration of Lords message. Lords amendments disagreed to on division (305 to 251). Motion to appoint Committee to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their amendments. Agreed to on question. Reason reported and agreed to. Message to the Lords to communicate Reason, with Bill and amendments.
Identity Cards Bill
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444 c875-95 Session
2005-06Legislative stage
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Identity Cards Bill. Lords non-insistence and amendments.
Tuesday, 28 March 2006
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Tuesday, 28 March 2006
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Proceeding contributions
David Winnick | 444 c882 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman will forgive me, I will not give way, as I wish to heed Madam Deputy Speaker’s...
Nick Clegg | 444 c882-3 (Link to this contribution)
Last week I suggested to the Home Secretary that, if he rejected the amendments that were before us ...
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David Winnick | 444 c881-2 (Link to this contribution)
May I say straight away that I am in favour of the Lords amendment, which is a sensible proposal? I ...
Mark Fisher | 444 c885 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that the Government are as confident about the view of either the public or the Chanc...
Speaker | 444 c885 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Earlier, the hon. Member for Stone (Mr. Cash) raised a point of order, and I said that I woul...
Mark Fisher | 444 c883-5 (Link to this contribution)
I feel that we are making very slow progress, but progress none the less, and I welcome that. I was ...
Speaker | 444 c885 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The hon. Gentleman should relate his comments not to the Budget, but to the amendments on the...
Lord Garnier | 444 c880-1 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that but, as my hon. Friend will know, Dickens wrote some of his greatest novels as part wo...
Speaker | 444 c881 (Link to this contribution)
Order. May I remind hon. Members that we have a little over 40 minutes left for this debate? Several...
John Bercow | 444 c880 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. and learned Friend said that he did not want to rehearse previous arguments but, further to ...
William Cash | 444 c879 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. and learned Friend give way on that point?
William Cash | 444 c879 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to cut my hon. and learned Friend short. Having said what he has just said, does he ag...
Lord Garnier | 444 c879-80 (Link to this contribution)
I agree. We are debating, both in this Chamber and in the other place, the fundamental relationship ...
John Redwood | 444 c880 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. and learned Friend give way?
Lord Garnier | 444 c880 (Link to this contribution)
That queue appears to be growing.
John Redwood | 444 c880 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. and learned Friend agree that, while compromise may be a good thing, there can be no co...
Lord Garnier | 444 c880 (Link to this contribution)
I entirely agree, but I am trying to extract from the Government precisely how close to us they are ...
Lord Garnier | 444 c878-9 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that I can begin on an uncontroversial note in a debate on what has been a controversial Bill...
Charles Clarke | 444 c878 (Link to this contribution)
As always, I am amazed, encouraged and even excited by the right hon. Gentleman’s positive tone. The...
David Davis | 444 c878 (Link to this contribution)
In the spirit of that compromise—the Home Secretary knows that I am always prone to compromise—I wou...
Baroness Hoey | 444 c877 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend give way on that point?
Charles Clarke | 444 c877-8 (Link to this contribution)
No, I will not.
There is little more that I can say other than to suggest that at this time the oth...
Lynne Jones | 444 c876 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my right hon. Friend about the lack of an EU conspiracy. However, will he comment on wh...
Charles Clarke | 444 c876-7 (Link to this contribution)
There are no recommendations coming from Europe on this matter so that the issue of being in line do...
John Redwood | 444 c876 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Home Secretary confirm that people are right in thinking that this is all part of an EU req...
Charles Clarke | 444 c876 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to confirm that that is total nonsense. There is no proposal either for an EU identity ca...
Speaker | 444 c875 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman says, the matter has been brought to the attention of the Chair at a late stag...
Charles Clarke | 444 c875-6 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their amendments 22J and 22K.
This is th...
Speaker | 444 c875 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I have the reference from ““Erskine May””, so we can save a little time because the hon. Gent...
William Cash | 444 c875 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I have written a note to Mr. Deputy Speaker about the Bil...
William Cash | 444 c875 (Link to this contribution)
I merely say, Madam Deputy Speaker, that however improbable it might seem at this late stage, differ...
William Cash | 444 c889 (Link to this contribution)
I remain deeply worried about the ambit of the Bill and the powers that are being taken, which have ...
Robert Smith | 444 c890 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Nick Palmer | 444 c889-90 (Link to this contribution)
We have only five minutes left, so I will be brief.
Members who are interested in this debate will ...
Speaker | 444 c890 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Will Members who have just arrived in the House please keep their conversations lower?
Nick Palmer | 444 c890-1 (Link to this contribution)
We should say that we accept that if people register for a passport, their entry goes on to the nati...
Martin Linton | 444 c888 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, but this is a one-hour debate. I consider myself lucky to have caught your eye, Madam De...
Angela Watkinson | 444 c888 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Martin Linton | 444 c888 (Link to this contribution)
With respect, it is other hon. Members who have failed to understand the basic point that the inform...
Lord Garnier | 444 c888 (Link to this contribution)
You do not understand.
Angela Watkinson | 444 c889 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend share the confidence of the hon. Member for Battersea (Martin Linton) that the n...
William Cash | 444 c889 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed. The fact remains that this is an extremely important Bill. It is a very dangerous Bill, and ...
John Bercow | 444 c889 (Link to this contribution)
Common law countries.
William Cash | 444 c889 (Link to this contribution)
I could not agree more. The gateway is also the entry point for a form of compulsion that one would ...
Lord Garnier | 444 c888-9 (Link to this contribution)
Is my hon. Friend also concerned that the hon. Member for Battersea (Martin Linton), who made the la...
William Cash | 444 c888 (Link to this contribution)
I continue to be deeply concerned about the question of compulsion. It is still inherent in the prin...
Richard Shepherd | 444 c885-6 (Link to this contribution)
If reasoned argument were to prevail, the arguments advanced by the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent, ...
Richard Shepherd | 444 c886 (Link to this contribution)
Of course, I accept your view, Madam Deputy Speaker, but this is an enormously important constitutio...
Speaker | 444 c886 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I hope that the hon. Gentleman will think carefully. It is inappropriate for members of the r...
Lord Garnier | 444 c887 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Martin Linton | 444 c887 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, but we must all heed Madam Deputy Speaker’s words of warning and we need to make our poi...
Martin Linton | 444 c888 (Link to this contribution)
No, I am sorry but we are all under a time pressure—[Interruption.] If hon. Members look at the rele...
Richard Shepherd | 444 c886-7 (Link to this contribution)
I do not mean to argue, Madam Deputy Speaker, but the whole point of the debate and the Lords amendm...
Speaker | 444 c886 (Link to this contribution)
Order. We are actually discussing Lords amendments rather than the wider context of this Bill.
Jeremy Corbyn | 444 c887 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Martin Linton | 444 c887 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to speak as an unashamed supporter of compulsion in ID cards. I was the first to suggest the ...
Lord Garnier | 444 c879 (Link to this contribution)
Even in mid-sentence, I give way to my hon. Friend.
Nick Palmer | 444 c890 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot, because of the time available.
My compromise suggestion, which echoes that of my hon. Fri...
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