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Health Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 14 February 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Patricia Hewitt. The answering member was Lord Lansley.
Health Bill. Report stage. New clause 5 and amendment to the proposed clause debated and agreed to on division. New clause 6 added to the Bill. New clause 7 debated and agreed to on question. Amendments debated and added to the Bill. Third reading debate. Agreed to on division (364 to 21) and Bill passed.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

442 c1290-391 

Session

2005-06

Department

Department of Health

Legislative stage

Third reading and Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

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Proceeding contributions

Ian Gibson | 442 c1316 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend acknowledge the work of Sir Richard Doll, who sadly died a year ago at the...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1316-7 (Link to this contribution) I acknowledge what Richard Doll did in not only the United Kingdom, but worldwide. His authority on ...

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Michael Fabricant | 442 c1316 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has campaigned on the issue for a long time. Did his Committee consider the...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1316 (Link to this contribution) I said earlier that when the Under-Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, my hon. Friend the Membe...
Patrick Hall | 442 c1319 (Link to this contribution) Those who argue that private members’ clubs should be exempt accept that they should not be exempt f...
Barry Sheerman | 442 c1317 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend and I have been companions in arms on the matter for a long time and have been ...
Steve Webb | 442 c1315 (Link to this contribution) Not only is the hon. Gentleman right, but that might be the outcome even if the House tried to make ...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1315-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank my Front-Bench colleagues and the Government for giving me and all Labour Members, both Fron...
Michael Fabricant | 442 c1315 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give the lie to what someone said about it being a huge breach of tradition ...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1319-20 (Link to this contribution) That is a matter for the Government. If a comprehensive ban is agreed tonight, it is crucial that it...
Iris Robinson | 442 c1320 (Link to this contribution) I want to underpin what the right hon. Gentleman is saying about the economy suffering. Is he aware ...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1320 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Lady, who will also know that Ireland’s retail sales figures now show that bar...
David Lepper | 442 c1320 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that there is a point at which economics and health are linked? The ...
Speaker | 442 c1320 (Link to this contribution) Order. To set an example to others, let me say to the hon. Gentleman that a very short time is left,...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1320 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend read out almost the whole e-mail, but not quite. Small businesses ask hon. Members on...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1319 (Link to this contribution) The analogy is absolutely false. I hope the House will see it for what it is and vote accordingly af...
David Clelland | 442 c1319 (Link to this contribution) Although I accept that the analogy is not a good one, does my right hon. Friend accept that the Bill...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1319 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. I shall come to that, if I do not have to take any further interventions. I am keen to finis...
Ed Balls | 442 c1319 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a powerful case for the full ban and for it to apply to private members’ ...
Jim Devine | 442 c1312 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the British Medical Association report produced at the end of 2005, w...
Steve Webb | 442 c1312 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that the hon. Gentleman was listening to what I said. The point that I am making is no...
Andrew Selous | 442 c1312 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that many of our constituents in many parts of the country may not hav...
Steve Webb | 442 c1311-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Ealing, North (Stephen Pound) is a tough act to follow. Although I have been the...
Lord Cormack | 442 c1312 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is not obliged either to join a club or to go to one as a guest. If he knows that...
Iris Robinson | 442 c1310 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman. In the Irish Republic, one person in three used to smoke, but that has f...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1310-1 (Link to this contribution) It is clear that two of us here read the Irish Medical Journal. The figures show that there has been...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1310 (Link to this contribution) The evidence is of an increase in off-sales. Untypically, I shall turn to a more serious matter bef...
Steve Webb | 442 c1312-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for making that point. There is also evidence from the land of t...
Steve Webb | 442 c1314 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman raises an important issue about, for example, communities with one members’ club ...
Anne Milton | 442 c1314 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that, whatever our views—there have been heated exchanges across the F...
Steve Webb | 442 c1314-5 (Link to this contribution) I very much agree with that point. We may have clarity for pubs, but applying the rules will be much...
Andrew Turner | 442 c1313 (Link to this contribution) Of course, such things are fundamentally important to each individual case but, if only 5 per cent. ...
Steve Webb | 442 c1313 (Link to this contribution) No. The hon. Gentleman is getting confused between a certainty of 5 per cent. and a probability of f...
Barry Sheerman | 442 c1313-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a compelling point. I got involved in this campaign many years ago, bec...
Steve Webb | 442 c1314 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right in the sense that a total ban would have that effect—total bans have don...
Peter Bone | 442 c1313 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Gentleman’s argument, but can he explain why smoking will be allowed in prison...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1308 (Link to this contribution) On the subject of those things that one would not wish to ban, I give way to the hon. Gentleman.
Stephen Pound | 442 c1308 (Link to this contribution) I am more of a Cameroonian—a fan of Samuel Eto’o. Why should it not be possible for those of us who...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1309 (Link to this contribution) Possibly it is exuded in the hon. Gentleman’s constituency. I shall give way to him so that he may c...
John Hemming | 442 c1309 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Stephen Pound | 442 c1309 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention, although by and large the Liberals should resist making too muc...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1309 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend give way on that point?
John Hemming | 442 c1309 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a very good point about Ireland. The issue is where people smoke. There is ...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1309 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is an expert in many fields. I was coming to the point that Ireland has seen a co...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1309 (Link to this contribution) Well—[Hon. Members: ““Go on!””] I will give way, but my right hon. Friend is nearly always right and...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1310 (Link to this contribution) The press release of 17 October last year from the Under-Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, my...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1310 (Link to this contribution) It does work, and all independent air testing verifies that. However, I have a terrible suspicion gn...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1310 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my right hon. Friend’s contribution.
Iris Robinson | 442 c1310 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Stephen Pound | 442 c1310 (Link to this contribution) I would withdraw my remarks, but the reality is that off-sales have increased in Ireland. I was stru...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1310 (Link to this contribution) In a second. I know that the hon. Lady knows more about off-sales in Ireland than I do, but I was as...
Eric Forth | 442 c1286-7 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. I seek your guidance, because I hope that the House will be able t...
Laurence Robertson | 442 c1287 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, Mr. Speaker. I endorse the comments made by my right hon. Friend the...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 442 c1287 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. I ask for your help in ensuring that Members do not have the proce...
Speaker | 442 c1287 (Link to this contribution) The Chair will take a view, after listening to the debate.
Speaker | 442 c1287 (Link to this contribution) I can tell the hon. Gentleman and the right hon. Member for Bromley and Chislehurst (Mr. Forth) th...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1290 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 442 c1287 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady should worry about whether she is confused.
Speaker | 442 c1290-1 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Amendment (a), in line 9, leave out paragr...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1294 (Link to this contribution) I note that the manifesto policy of the Liberal party is for a total ban. That is not, of course, th...
Jeremy Browne | 442 c1294 (Link to this contribution) I do not understand the Secretary of State’s answer to the right hon. Member for Wokingham (Mr. Redw...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1294 (Link to this contribution) We believe that it is right for prisoners, who quite properly have no choice about where they live, ...
Christopher Chope | 442 c1294 (Link to this contribution) If it is wrong for prisoners to be able to drink alcohol in prison, why is it right under the Govern...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1293-4 (Link to this contribution) Let me make a little progress before I give way again. The new clause provides a general power to m...
Andrew Turner | 442 c1293 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1293 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether the right hon. Gentleman is saying that there should be a smoking ban in peopl...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1294 (Link to this contribution) Just so we are absolutely clear about what the Secretary of State is now proposing, as opposed to wh...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1294 (Link to this contribution) No, it would not. I am grateful to my hon. Friend for raising that point but, as I shall explain in ...
Tony Wright | 442 c1294 (Link to this contribution) Under new clause 5(7), would it be possible to have designated smoking rooms in all kinds of premise...
John Hemming | 442 c1292 (Link to this contribution) I hope to refer later to licensed smoking areas. We effectively have a licensed smoking area in the ...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1292 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with my hon. Friend. Of course, that is a matter for the House authorities, rather ...
Ian Gibson | 442 c1292 (Link to this contribution) Is my right hon. Friend astonished that a prominent Opposition Member who extols tobacco smoking acr...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1292 (Link to this contribution) As I have already indicated, the arrangements that we make in the Palace of Westminster are matters ...
Patrick Hall | 442 c1292 (Link to this contribution) The public health case to make all workplaces smoke-free is very well established. Leaving aside the...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1292 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that, before we begin the debate, the whole House will join me in congratulating the right...
Howard Stoate | 442 c1293 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is right to say that a balance must be struck, but does she agree that the most...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1293 (Link to this contribution) I do indeed share my hon. Friend’s surprise at that. All Labour Members believe that it is right to ...
John Redwood | 442 c1293 (Link to this contribution) Can the Secretary of State explain the difference between a worker in a normal place of employment, ...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1293 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very important point. I shall come to those precise issues in just a moment. ...
Humfrey Malins | 442 c1304 (Link to this contribution) I understand the thinking behind a smoking ban in clubs where children are present, but does my hon....
Lord Lansley | 442 c1304 (Link to this contribution) I am not aware of any way of securing additional protection for such workers using the votes availab...
Chris Bryant | 442 c1305 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Lansley | 442 c1305 (Link to this contribution) No. I do not want to take up any more of hon. Members’ time than I have to. My colleagues and I hav...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1303-4 (Link to this contribution) Yes. That was a timely intervention. If we give clubs an exemption, we should not necessarily exclud...
Louise Ellman | 442 c1304 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman recall that the Roy Castle international centre for lung cancer research in ...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1304 (Link to this contribution) I have received a letter from Fiona Castle and I fully understand that point. I would prefer clubs t...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1304 (Link to this contribution) We have only three hours. It is a pity that we do not have longer but I must try to conclude and I h...
John Redwood | 442 c1304 (Link to this contribution) Is there a way, under the provisions before us, for someone to vote for a less restrictive position ...
Sadiq Khan | 442 c1303 (Link to this contribution) The intellectual basis for the hon. Gentleman’s justification of a ban in a public space but not in ...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1303 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that and I shall explain why. Freedom to choose whether to smoke in one’s private sp...
Jim Devine | 442 c1303 (Link to this contribution) Let me summarise the hon. Gentleman’s case: it is acceptable to kill people who work in private club...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1302-3 (Link to this contribution) I want to make some progress, and then I will give way by all means. It is now up to Members to mak...
Richard Ottaway | 442 c1303 (Link to this contribution) It is open to private clubs to install ventilation equipment. Does my hon. Friend agree that that is...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1303 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I do because I obey the law. Parliament took a view, as it will this afternoon, and that is acc...
Greg Knight | 442 c1302 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept that the scope of amendment (a) is unprecedented and that if passed it wo...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1302 (Link to this contribution) As it happens, I did not know that it had been true since 1863, but I take advice from my right hon....
Lord Lansley | 442 c1302 (Link to this contribution) I do not understand the distinction as regards non-profit-making, but the Secretary of State might l...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1307-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, as is, I believe, the whole House. So it is ““Goodnight Irene”” for...
Lynne Jones | 442 c1307 (Link to this contribution) No doubt my hon. Friend will regard me as something of a spoilsport when I point out the following t...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1307 (Link to this contribution) On the subject of fag-ends, I will certainly give way to my hon. Friend.
Stephen Pound | 442 c1307 (Link to this contribution) Hang on a second. I am just getting going. I am a little short of breath, and what little I have I t...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1305-7 (Link to this contribution) Well, the imminently right hon. Member, then. I associate myself with his congratulations on the ext...
Stephen Pound | 442 c1305 (Link to this contribution) I admire greatly the work that my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State has done on these matters...
David Clelland | 442 c1297 (Link to this contribution) : As my right hon. Friend knows, I have added my name to her new clause 5. However, I am a little co...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 442 c1296 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State is quite right to listen to the consultation and to propose to amend the orig...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1296 (Link to this contribution) Yes. I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his courteous remarks. The second issue on which there...
Steve Webb | 442 c1296 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State pointed out that for procedural reasons her ministerial colleague has tabled ...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1296-7 (Link to this contribution) I strongly advise the hon. Gentleman to talk to the candidates for the leadership of his own party. ...
Robert N Wareing | 442 c1297 (Link to this contribution) Would my right hon. Friend clarify the question of private membership clubs? If, in fact, they are e...
Andrew Selous | 442 c1297 (Link to this contribution) Is it the case that there are no fewer than 165,000 workers who work in the private members clubs th...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1297 (Link to this contribution) Let me make it clear that if Parliament should decide to exempt private members clubs, the regulatio...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1296 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the hon. Member for Tewkesbury (Mr. Robertson) believes that there should...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1295-6 (Link to this contribution) As I have already indicated, we are working with the Home Office on the precise nature of the limite...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1295 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes his point and I am sure that he will develop it during the course of the debate...
David Clelland | 442 c1295 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1294-5 (Link to this contribution) As I shall explain, new clause 5 is expressly designed to include under the smoking ban all pubs and...
David Leslie Taylor | 442 c1295 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend and neighbour for giving way. Would she consider it unjust, or...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1295 (Link to this contribution) I said on Second Reading that I was delighted to be bringing forward a Bill that is an enormous step...
Laurence Robertson | 442 c1295 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State confirm that a mass murderer in prison will be able to exercise his righ...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1295 (Link to this contribution) I will make a little more progress before I take further interventions. We have begun to explore tw...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1295 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State explain whether she thought the opposite on Second Reading on 29 Novembe...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1301-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall come to that in a moment. [Interruption.] Well, I will do better than the Secretary of State...
Lord Garnier | 442 c1302 (Link to this contribution) If the Secretary of State has a point of principle to deploy in relation to non-profit-making privat...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1302 (Link to this contribution) I make a distinction between licensed premises and private members’ clubs—
Lord Lansley | 442 c1300 (Link to this contribution) The BMJ report refers to some 1,500 people dying from passive smoking as a result of the increased r...
Hugh Bayley | 442 c1300 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can remind the hon. Gentleman that it has been estimated that more than 600 people a year ...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1300-1 (Link to this contribution) I recall the figure to which the hon. Gentleman has referred, although I think that it appeared in a...
Steve Webb | 442 c1301 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman spoke strongly in support of the importance of the views of the chief medical off...
Hugh Bayley | 442 c1300 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman remind the House what that article said about the number of people who die e...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1299-300 (Link to this contribution) Better than the Labour party. I am sure that the House is pleased to see the Secretary of State her...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1299 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the Secretary of State has added very little to the clarity, so let us see where we g...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1298-9 (Link to this contribution) As I have already said, I think that the arguments are extremely finely balanced. In the spirit of t...
Lord Cormack | 442 c1299 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. I rise just for clarification, which we did not get from the Secre...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1298 (Link to this contribution) Of course. Health and safety legislation is not affected by the Bill.
Lord Cormack | 442 c1298 (Link to this contribution) I intend to vote for private clubs to have the freedom proposed. Does the right hon. Lady intend to ...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1298 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. It is also the case that about 95 per cent. of the deaths that result from ...
Doug Henderson | 442 c1298 (Link to this contribution) Further to the points raised by my hon. Friend the Member for Livingston (Mr. Devine) and the hon. M...
Jim Devine | 442 c1298 (Link to this contribution) Is this not a simple health and safety issue? Passive smoking kills. Full stop. It does not matter w...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1297-8 (Link to this contribution) What I have just said to the House, and what I said this morning, is that even if membership clubs a...
John Bercow | 442 c1385 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right, Madam Deputy Speaker. My focus on the manifesto related specifically to th...
John Bercow | 442 c1385-6 (Link to this contribution) In a moment. There are of course colleagues who, if pressed, would probably favour banning smoking ...
Speaker | 442 c1386 (Link to this contribution) Order. May I remind the hon. Gentleman, as I have reminded other hon. Members, that we are debating ...
John Bercow | 442 c1386 (Link to this contribution) The House has made the right decision, and I am delighted to have got my point on the record, Madam ...
John Bercow | 442 c1386-7 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not, because I know that other colleagues wish to contribute to the debate. The great be...
Philip Davies | 442 c1387 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Buckingham (John Bercow), whom I lik...
Ed Miliband | 442 c1387 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Philip Davies | 442 c1387-8 (Link to this contribution) I greatly admire the hon. Gentleman as well, and I am sure that there is an incredibly bright future...
Rob Marris | 442 c1388 (Link to this contribution) I believe that before he was elected the hon. Gentleman worked for Asda. Asda has bacon-slicing mach...
Ed Miliband | 442 c1387 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I want to be nice to him because his mother lives in my constit...
Philip Davies | 442 c1388 (Link to this contribution) I do apologise, Madam Deputy Speaker; I was merely trying to highlight where this Bill will lead us....
Speaker | 442 c1388 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am afraid that where the Bill might lead us is not part of the debate.
Philip Davies | 442 c1388 (Link to this contribution) I knew that it was a mistake to give way to the hon. Gentleman. I was nervous about doing so. I am n...
Speaker | 442 c1388 (Link to this contribution) Order. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will confine his remarks to the Third Reading of this Bill.
Barry Sheerman | 442 c1388 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is obviously struggling with his speech—
Barry Sheerman | 442 c1388 (Link to this contribution) : May I help the hon. Gentleman out?
Philip Davies | 442 c1388-9 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that the last person whom anybody who was struggling with their speech would ask for help ...
Hugh Bayley | 442 c1323 (Link to this contribution) We have heard that passive smoking in the workplace kills four times as many employees a year as asb...
David Clelland | 442 c1324 (Link to this contribution) We are not considering the Health and Safety at Work, etc. Act 1974, but the Health Bill. If the Gov...
Chris Bryant | 442 c1324 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend said that he was not opposed in principle to private members clubs banning smoking. T...
Louise Ellman | 442 c1325 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept that the complexity and lack of clarity to which he refers are an indicat...
David Leslie Taylor | 442 c1320-1 (Link to this contribution) Did not our hon. Friend the Member for Ealing, North (Stephen Pound) make a particularly vacuous poi...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1321-2 (Link to this contribution) That is true, but as I have already intervened on that matter, I shall not go any further. The new ...
Speaker | 442 c1322 (Link to this contribution) Order. The two Back-Bench contributions to this debate have averaged 21 minutes. I appeal for brevit...
Roger Gale | 442 c1322-3 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 8 would delete part 1 of the Bill in its entirety, which would force the Government an...
David Clelland | 442 c1323 (Link to this contribution) : I support the case for excluding private members’ clubs from the ban. I am grateful to Ministers f...
Tony Wright | 442 c1327 (Link to this contribution) Some people would have put in padded walls and thrown away the key. The approach that I have just o...
Christopher Chope | 442 c1327-8 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak to amendment No. 6, on which I hope that we shall have the chance to vote later. I a...
Tony Wright | 442 c1326-7 (Link to this contribution) : It is always a great pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for North-West Hampshire (Sir George...
David Clelland | 442 c1325 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure what the lack of clarity is. Clubs are dealing with those issues as we speak. There ar...
Lord Young of Cookham | 442 c1325-6 (Link to this contribution) I want to make an extremely brief speech, as many other Members wish to speak in the debate. It was ...
Lord Young of Cookham | 442 c1326 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. It is perfectly consistent to be a member of the Conservative party and to take public heal...
David Clelland | 442 c1326 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Young of Cookham | 442 c1326 (Link to this contribution) I will not, if the hon. Gentleman does not mind, because I want other people to get in. Finally, I ...
Richard Taylor | 442 c1330-1 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Belfast, South (Dr. McDonnell), another member ...
Howard Stoate | 442 c1331 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my esteemed medical colleague for giving way on this important point. Does he ...
Richard Taylor | 442 c1331 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend—I will call him my hon. Friend, even though he is on the other side of the Ho...
Christopher Chope | 442 c1328 (Link to this contribution) That is true, although we hear that the Government want to allow it in order to try to save a few se...
Christopher Chope | 442 c1328-9 (Link to this contribution) No, I am afraid I will not. My hon. Friend the Member for North Thanet (Mr. Gale) referred to amend...
Alasdair McDonnell | 442 c1329-30 (Link to this contribution) I too will be brief, or as brief as I can. I think we could generate an awful lot of nonsense. Perha...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1328 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Christopher Chope | 442 c1328 (Link to this contribution) I will not, because the right hon. Gentleman spoke for an inordinate length of time, and I want to a...
Hugh Bayley | 442 c1334-5 (Link to this contribution) In November, I wrote to my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Health and said that I could...
Laurence Robertson | 442 c1335 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 36 accepts that there may be a case for banning smoking in certain public places, but ...
John Grogan | 442 c1333 (Link to this contribution) We all know people who, having given up smoking, are tempted to start again every time that they go ...
John Hemming | 442 c1333-4 (Link to this contribution) I have thrown away my speech and will aim to speak for less than five minutes. We need to focus on o...
Martin Horwood | 442 c1333 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not agree, however, with the Royal College of Physicians that one answer to ...
Laurence Robertson | 442 c1332 (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Gentleman considered the logical conclusion of his argument, which is that there is gre...
John Grogan | 442 c1331-2 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Wyre Forest (Dr. Taylor); I was feeling quite h...
Jim Sheridan | 442 c1332 (Link to this contribution) Much has been made of the employee’s ability to choose whether or not to work in a pub or a club. If...
Andrew Murrison | 442 c1355 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 12, in page 9, line 18, at end insert—
Speaker | 442 c1355 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 35, in page 9, line 18, at...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1340 (Link to this contribution) Our manifesto was clear. We wanted a voluntary, self-regulatory solution but with legislative back-u...
Caroline Flint | 442 c1340 (Link to this contribution) A voluntary self-regulation system. We have heard it from the hon. Gentleman’s own mouth. Tonight, ...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c1354 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 442 c1354 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Government amendments Nos. 25, 30 to 32 and 26.
Caroline Flint | 442 c1339 (Link to this contribution) We discussed that issue in Committee, and it was felt that it could be dealt with in regulations. We...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1339 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister give an undertaking that regulations made under subsection (2) of the new clause, ...
Caroline Flint | 442 c1339-40 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman raised points about substantially enclosed and semi-enclosed premises in Committe...
Lynne Jones | 442 c1339 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend explain whether the Government’s definition of ““substantially enclosed”” would ...
Speaker | 442 c1338 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am finding it increasingly difficult to hear the Minister against the buzz of conversation,...
Caroline Flint | 442 c1337-8 (Link to this contribution) No, but the hon. Gentleman can see me later. We can talk about the regulations. [Laughter.] Amendme...
Caroline Flint | 442 c1337 (Link to this contribution) It is another triumph of this new Labour Government. I turn now to the specifics of the amendments....
Caroline Flint | 442 c1336 (Link to this contribution) It has been quite a journey over the past eight months or so. This afternoon’s debate has paralleled...
Jim Devine | 442 c1335 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Laurence Robertson | 442 c1335-6 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I do not have time. Many staff in pubs smoke themselves and many small country pubs...
Stephen Williams | 442 c1364 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for her answer, which I wanted to appear on the record. That is why I asked th...
Nadine Dorries | 442 c1364 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman knows, we discussed the matter in Committee and the Minister rightly gave me t...
Stephen Williams | 442 c1364 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady and am pleased to have helped her to place on the record the reasoning behind ...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c1364 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the hon. Member for Westbury (Dr. Murrison) and others if they feel that the new draf...
Andrew Murrison | 442 c1364-5 (Link to this contribution) I agree that the issue causes huge confusion. That is why I was at pains to stress that we need to b...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c1365 (Link to this contribution) I accept that. I probably did not hear exactly what the hon. Gentleman said and I thought at first t...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1365 (Link to this contribution) One moment the Minister enjoins us to be very precise, yet the next moment she blandly says, ““We be...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c1365-8 (Link to this contribution) I accept what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but it was making the surveillance mandatory that led to...
Nadine Dorries | 442 c1364 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman knows full well that I have not spoken to representatives of the Royal College of...
Stephen Williams | 442 c1363-4 (Link to this contribution) I should like to have spoken at greater length in the earlier debate on smoking. None the less, I am...
Nadine Dorries | 442 c1361-3 (Link to this contribution) Hospital consultants and doctors wear white coats and tend to put them on when they go into hospital...
Andrew Murrison | 442 c1356-9 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is correct. Like me, he will have had constituency experience of the worry involved. ...
David Kidney | 442 c1359-60 (Link to this contribution) I support the thrust of the amendment, but we have got the law right and are about to get the code r...
Andrew Murrison | 442 c1355-6 (Link to this contribution) I think that the Minister was expecting me to hold forth on the previous group of amendments and I a...
Philip Hollobone | 442 c1356 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on the words that he has just uttered. Is there not a third category o...
Nadine Dorries | 442 c1360-1 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak to amendments Nos. 35 and 37. MRSA rates have doubled since 1997, as my hon. Friend...
Sandra Gidley | 442 c1361 (Link to this contribution) I am listening to the hon. Lady with interest. She will surely accept that many staff do not wear un...
Adam Afriyie | 442 c1360 (Link to this contribution) In many walks of life, best practice is discovered in the variety of ways in which different organis...
David Kidney | 442 c1360 (Link to this contribution) Given his intervention, the hon. Gentleman will probably like the Minister’s response. The Minister ...
Sandra Gidley | 442 c1371-2 (Link to this contribution) These amendments seek to amend clause 32, which deals with application for provision of pharmaceutic...
Sandra Gidley | 442 c1373 (Link to this contribution) I understand the possible drivers for persuading applicants to offer extra services, which must be a...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c1372-3 (Link to this contribution) We are discussing the narrow focus of clause 32. When determining chemist applications to provide ph...
Caroline Flint | 442 c1374-5 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman suggests, under amendments Nos. 33 and 34, regulations made under clauses 2 an...
Andrew Murrison | 442 c1374 (Link to this contribution) I will not press the amendment to a vote but very much hope that we will find ourselves in violent a...
Andrew Murrison | 442 c1375 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for clearly pointing out that these matters will be considered in anot...
Sandra Gidley | 442 c1373-4 (Link to this contribution) I am disappointed that the Minister did not even give us a hint about how the clause will be enforce...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c1373 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the hon. Lady says, but her amendment would prevent PCTs from considering what improveme...
Speaker | 442 c1374 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss amendment No. 34, in page 58, line 41, after ‘4’, insert ...
Andrew Murrison | 442 c1374 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 33, in page 58, line 41, after ‘section’, insert ‘2’.
Nadine Dorries | 442 c1368 (Link to this contribution) ““Clean”” is a matter of perception. We can say, ““You look clean””, but we cannot see viruses and b...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c1368 (Link to this contribution) I know that the hon. Lady is going to say that they are only words, but in fact they are pretty stro...
Speaker | 442 c1371 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss amendment No. 29, in page 28, line 45, at end add 'that ...
Sandra Gidley | 442 c1371 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 28, in page 28, line 42, leave out from beginning to ‘products’ in line ...
Andrew Murrison | 442 c1370 (Link to this contribution) Given that the code is an evolving document, we may hope for future amendments to it along the lines...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c1369-70 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept the hon. Lady’s description of what happens now: I have indeed seen that level of co...
Nadine Dorries | 442 c1369 (Link to this contribution) Many years ago—I do not want to say how many—plastic aprons and gloves were commonplace throughout w...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c1368-9 (Link to this contribution) The areas of greatest risk are patients who are very poorly and have wounds—people who are going int...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1379 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I should like to move on from my more acid remarks to constructive ...
Steve Webb | 442 c1383-4 (Link to this contribution) The whole House will congratulate the hon. Member for Barnsley, East and Mexborough (Jeff Ennis) on ...
Jeff Ennis | 442 c1381-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Secretary of State for her generous comments about my campaigning activities with regard...
Speaker | 442 c1384 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman knows that we cannot discuss what is not in the Bill on Third Reading.
David Kidney | 442 c1384 (Link to this contribution) I, too, participated in the Second Reading debate and served on the Standing Committee. It is right ...
John Bercow | 442 c1385 (Link to this contribution) : The Bill is a good measure, which was improved this afternoon. It deserves a Third Reading and, in...
David Kidney | 442 c1384 (Link to this contribution) I wondered how long it would take you to remind me of that point, Madam Deputy Speaker. I simply say...
Speaker | 442 c1385 (Link to this contribution) Order. I have been reasonably lenient with hon. Members, but I believe that I ruled a few moments ag...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1377-8 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the right hon. Member for Rother Valley (Mr. Barron) is not in the Chamber. If congr...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1377 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to reassure the House that we want more choice for patients in ophthalmic and other medic...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1377 (Link to this contribution) We did not have the opportunity to discuss general ophthalmic services on Report. Does the Secretary...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1375-7 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. I am proud to move the Bill’s Third Readin...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1379 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right—royal palaces are not covered. We discussed that in Committee, and the ban w...
Roger Gale | 442 c1379 (Link to this contribution) I have been away and done a little digging, and would be grateful if my hon. Friend shed light on so...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1378-9 (Link to this contribution) Our manifesto made it perfectly clear that people must take responsibility for their own health. We ...
Philip Hollobone | 442 c1378 (Link to this contribution) As a Conservative candidate, I stood on a manifesto commitment that we would not introduce legislati...
Speaker | 442 c1379 (Link to this contribution) Order. Instead of discussing party manifestos, perhaps we can return to Third Reading.
Christopher Chope | 442 c1287 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, Mr. Speaker. Does the same apply to amendment No. 6, in my name, whi...
Patricia Hewitt | 442 c1297 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point and I will come to it in a moment. There are about 18,500 r...
Steve Webb | 442 c1312 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a good point and I admire his courage in standing up for his principles. It...
Steve Webb | 442 c1313 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Gentleman’s point. I suspect that the reason is more to do with pragmatism tha...
Lembit Opik | 442 c1308-9 (Link to this contribution) I would say that the hon. Gentleman has my full support, but that would probably be the kiss of deat...
Speaker | 442 c1296 (Link to this contribution) Order. Hon. Members must allow the Secretary of State to be heard.
Speaker | 442 c1299 (Link to this contribution) I am reliably informed that that is what the right hon. Lady would shout, because she has recommende...
John Grogan | 442 c1332 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely with my hon. Friend. The House has a responsibility to provide some certainty tonig...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c1354-5 (Link to this contribution) We come to a number of minor and consequential amendments. I know that there will be interest in lat...
Lord Lansley | 442 c1379-81 (Link to this contribution) I am never churlish—cross, perhaps, but never churlish. I agree with the Secretary of State that we...
David Leslie Taylor | 442 c1379 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is giving holy grail status to manifestos. As the hon. Member for Kettering (Mr. ...
Kevin Barron | 442 c1317-8 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more and will come on to that point. Health and safety concerns are sufficient re...
Chris Bryant | 442 c1314 (Link to this contribution) May I push the hon. Gentleman in a different direction on loopholes and private members’ clubs? A pr...
David Clelland | 442 c1324-5 (Link to this contribution) I shall consider the annual vote shortly, but I will not discuss the complexities of how the ballots...
John Grogan | 442 c1332-3 (Link to this contribution) On health and safety grounds alone, we must face the reality of the situation. According to an Ameri...
Caroline Flint | 442 c1338-9 (Link to this contribution) Conservative Members were shouting, ““Boring””; I suppose that it is boring to try to save lives—[Ho...
David Leslie Taylor | 442 c1336-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has described the long path that we have followed over the past decade and more. Is s...

Subjects

Children
Codes of practice
Care homes
Clubs
Age
Hospitals
Health hazards
Exemptions
Hygiene
Infectious diseases
Prisons
Public places
Pharmacy
Public houses
Ophthalmic services
Passive smoking
MRSA
Working conditions
Sales
Young people
Smoking

Legislation

Health Bill 2005-06

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