Children and Adoption Bill (HL). Lords report stage (HL Bill 40 2005-06).
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Children and Adoption Bill [HL]
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Children and Adoption Bill (HL). As amended in Grand Committee (HL)
Monday, 17 October 2005
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Monday, 17 October 2005
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 675 c864 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree that many people find contact issue difficult. I believe that that is because we d...
Earl Howe | 675 c864-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as I made clear, I am not arguing against the paramountcy principle. In many cases there i...
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Baroness Morris of Bolton | 675 c867-70 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 9:"Before Clause 1, insert the following new clause—"
““PARENTING TIME PLAN...
Earl Howe | 675 c865-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we should not change the law on the basis of anecdotal evidence, strong as that is, but th...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c865 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was not so much talking about statistics as about looking at what happens in the process...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c871-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I seem to spend a lot of my life on legislation. I cannot but echo some of the sentiment b...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 675 c871 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is no excuse for having that much.
Lord Northbourne | 675 c871 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, would the noble Baroness accept that, alas, we have no power except legislation? That is w...
Earl of Listowel | 675 c874 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, can the Minister confirm that the group which was called together by the Department for Co...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c874 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not know whether that figure is correct because the group was before my time. In the ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 675 c874-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for her detailed reply and once again express my thanks to the noble ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 675 c878 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should probably have said all that I am going to say when I spoke about mediation. I hav...
Baroness Walmsley | 675 c875-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 13:"Before Clause 1, insert the following new clause—"
““PRE-COURT DISPUTE ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 675 c878-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry if I gave that impression. There are many good mediators who work with that for...
Baroness Walmsley | 675 c878 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the noble Baroness sits down, can she explain to the House what she means by the st...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c879-80 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not think that any noble Lord who has spoken is terribly far away from any other nobl...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 675 c879 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support what the noble Baroness, Lady Howarth, said. My slight worry is that these amend...
Baroness Walmsley | 675 c880 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply. I shall take back the point about the European Court, ...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 675 c857-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Earl quoted research which showed that, as the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, pic...
Lord Northbourne | 675 c856-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 2, Amendment No. 3:"Line 8, leave out ““reasonable”” and ins...
Earl Howe | 675 c852-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 2:"Before Clause 1, insert the following new clause—"
““REASONABLE CONTACT
In ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 675 c849-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that full and, as always, gracious reply. However, I am disappoin...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c843-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was very sorry not to be able to participate in our discussions in Committee, and I apol...
Earl of Listowel | 675 c843 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree. My own father was quite advanced in age when I was born, and when I was 13 I was ...
Lord Northbourne | 675 c843 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Earl for giving way. Does he accept that great emotional damage...
Earl of Listowel | 675 c843 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, most of the important arguments have already been very well put. I salute the intention of...
Lord Northbourne | 675 c859 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, to clarify the position, my Amendment No. 16 says that,"““such arrangements for parenting ...
Baroness Walmsley | 675 c858-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I find myself agreeing with a great deal of what the noble Earl, Lord Howe, said. However,...
Baroness Walmsley | 675 c859 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand that point, but I still think that it is beyond any legislation to devise any...
Baroness Walmsley | 675 c861 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, can the Minister give the House a timescale for that research?
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c861 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thought the noble Earl would say that, but we do not know what else was going on at the ...
Lord Northbourne | 675 c863 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it defeats me to understand how I can press an amendment to an amendment that does not exi...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c861-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness will not be surprised that I cannot do that. I have only just decided t...
Earl of Listowel | 675 c860 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Earl, Lord Howe, for putting the case so eloquently for his amendment. A...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 675 c859-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was not going to speak to these amendments but, having been goaded by the noble Earl, Lo...
Earl Howe | 675 c861 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, those are real examples.
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c860-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall not repeat what I said in our previous discussions on presumption. I firmly believ...
Earl Howe | 675 c863-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been an interesting debate and I am grateful to all who have spoken. The noble Lo...
Earl of Listowel | 675 c894 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Morris of Bolton, for tabling this amendment, because it ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c896 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is not the only activity covered in this part of the Bill. In all the activities, we ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c895-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understood what the noble Lord was saying. We must recognise the differences between dif...
Lord Northbourne | 675 c895 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I purposefully said fathers without parental responsibility. I am concerned about that gro...
Earl Howe | 675 c897-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 24:"After Clause 5, insert the following new clause—"
““SANCTIONS AGAINST F...
Lord Adonis | 675 c898-900 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Earl asked if I could express sympathy with his intentions and offer some mild w...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 675 c896 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply. In light of her comments, I shall consider the Bill in...
Earl Howe | 675 c900 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I derive comfort from that very helpful reply from the Minister. I hope, too, that those i...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 675 c883 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I admit to now being totally confused. I should be grateful for some clarification from th...
Lord Northbourne | 675 c883 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should like briefly to support the amendment. If we are to persuade parents to settle ea...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 675 c882-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, regarding default contact arra...
Baroness Barker | 675 c880-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 14:"Before Clause 1, insert the following new clause—"
““DEFAULT CONTACT AR...
Lord Adonis | 675 c886 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 19:"Page 2, line 5, after ““that”” insert ““—"
(i) ””
The noble Lord said: ...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 675 c886-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I very much appreciate the comments made by my noble friend Lord Adonis. They run very nic...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c886 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way and I thank her for that explanation. I...
Baroness Barker | 675 c886 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am encouraged by having met that first hurdle. I hope that by the next stage noble Lords...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c883-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think I have lost the plot as well. I am with the noble Baroness, Lady Howarth. I apolog...
Baroness Barker | 675 c885-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, and the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, for their s...
Baroness Thornton | 675 c890 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I join the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, in urging the acceptance of the amendment, which...
Baroness Walmsley | 675 c889-90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support this amendment, to which I have put my name, because it does what I had hoped we...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 675 c890-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments, especially that of my noble friends and the noble Baroness, Lady...
Bishop of Manchester | 675 c889 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the clergy in their pastoral ministry often come across cases of domestic violence and, sa...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 675 c893-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I speak to Amendment No. 22. I thank the Minister for his reply in Committee. However, we ...
Lord Adonis | 675 c891-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we seem to have almost a unanimity of opinion in the House this afternoon, which I hope th...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 675 c892 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, is absolutely right: sometimes persistence does pay off...
Lord Northbourne | 675 c892-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 21:"Page 2, line 21, at end insert—"
““( ) Subject to subsection (9), in c...
Lord Northbourne | 675 c839 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley: the message that we send to parents is of hug...
Baroness Walmsley | 675 c835-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment Nos. 11 and 12 in my name in this group. First, I will not be i...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 675 c831-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 1:"Before Clause 1, insert the following new clause—"
““PRESUMPTION IN FAVOUR O...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 675 c842-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I declare an interest as the chair of CAFCASS. I have only a little to add to the magnific...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 675 c841-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do indeed, as I know the noble Baroness too well to think otherwise. I was simply commen...
Baroness Walmsley | 675 c841 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the noble Baroness accept that I do not so believe?
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 675 c839-41 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand absolutely the sentiments behind the amendment. I believe that all sides of t...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 675 c871 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will not speak about parenting plans, but I want to say a quick word about mediation, be...
Earl of Listowel | 675 c896 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the Minister agree that if we are to achieve what so many of us wish—meaningful conta...
Lord Northbourne | 675 c896-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was contemplating reading your Lordships a chunk of Chetneys Family Law on deserving and...
Earl of Listowel | 675 c891 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. I greatly admire the single-minded attention to the matter ...
Lord Adonis | 675 c892 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 20:"Page 2, line 6, at end insert—"
““(ii) may, by addressing a person’s vio...
Lord Northbourne | 675 c870-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support these three amendments in principle, because I have been much influenced by what...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c894-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, for raising an important issue that he continual...
Baroness Crawley | 675 c900 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving this Motion...
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