Equality Bill (HL). Lords third reading debate. Privilege amendment made. Motion that Bill do now pass agreed to on question. Bill passed and sent to Commons.
Equality Bill [HL]
Debate on bills on Wednesday, 9 November 2005,
in the House of Lords,
led by Baroness Ashton of Upholland.
The answering
member was Baroness Miller of Hendon.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
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675 c620-79Session
2005-06Legislative stage
Third readingChamber / Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c666-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as the noble Lord will know, we are dealing not simply with the Jewish community but also ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c665-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her lecture on Mandla. However, she needs to read ...
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Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c667 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as I understand it, the amendments will be dealt with in order. I believe that the vote wo...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 675 c667 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the noble Baroness sits down, is it possible for her to answer my point about proce...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 675 c667 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, could the vote on the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Lester, take place if Amendment No...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c662 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord is quite wrong. I always listen to him because I have to answer the points ...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 675 c662 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was making the point that if the only way we can delete this is because it is written in...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c662-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand that. Let us look at why the provision is there. It does have, if I may respe...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c664 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the Minister, and I am grateful to her for allowing me to do so. S...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c664-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it refers to housing. Noble Lords will know that the whole issue of what public functions ...
Lord Lyell of Markyate | 675 c660-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am a latecomer to this Bill, because it had its Second Reading before I was introduced. ...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 675 c660 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, for all the reasons that have been given, I would like the clause to be removed from the B...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 675 c660 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thoroughly agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Lester, said. It is interesting that Cla...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 675 c659-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is my first intervention in the debate. I have been interested to consider the circum...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 675 c662 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I did not make that as a blanket accusation—I merely said that she never listens to me.
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c662 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened carefully to all the comments made by noble Lords on all sides of the Hous...
Earl Ferrers | 675 c657-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am also concerned about the question of harassment. As the right reverend Prelate said, ...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 675 c658-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like the noble Baroness, Lady Turner of Camden, I am a secularist and I see great dangers ...
Bishop of Newcastle | 675 c657 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we on these Benches have similar concerns to those expressed by the noble Lord, Lord Leste...
Baroness O'Cathain | 675 c653-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments Nos. 12, 13, 14 and subsequent ones. My noble friend’s Amend...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c648-53 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, I make it clear that in speaking to this amendment I am speaking to the entire grou...
Lord Waddington | 675 c655-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, two amendments in this group are directed towards mitigating the worst effects of Clause 4...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c644-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 11:"Page 25, line 7, leave out subsection (8)."
The noble Baroness said: My Lor...
Baroness O'Cathain | 675 c644 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 10:"Page 20, line 32, at end insert—"
““(ea) regulations under Part 2A of th...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 675 c645-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 12:"Page 27, line 7, leave out ““or effect””"
The noble Baroness said: My Lords...
Baroness Darcy de Knayth | 675 c645 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I warmly thank the Minister for both amendments, which were in response to amendments tabl...
Baroness O'Cathain | 675 c640-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 9:"After Clause 32, insert the following new clause—"
““LEGAL ASSISTANCE FOR P...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c641-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for giving her time last week to discuss these is...
Baroness O'Cathain | 675 c644 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for her words. I hope that the commission and indeed the courts will ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c640 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, I thank him for the correction. I will feed that back. Wh...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c639-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the advantage of not being in government is that you can move quickly. The disadvantage of...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c639 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lester, for his amendments to the government amendment. He an...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c638-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 5, Amendment No. 6:"Line 4, at end insert ““or national””"
...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c637-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 5:"Page 17, line 40, at end insert—"
““(11) A reference in this section to a...
Lord Alli | 675 c637 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 4:"Page 15, line 32, at end insert—"
““(da) a provision of regulations under...
Lord Alli | 675 c636-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first I thank the Minister for her kind words, and reiterate how pleased we are that the G...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c636 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the purpose of the consultation is to look at why people have strongly held views, the ser...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c634-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been an interesting debate, and I could have predicted that these issues would be...
Earl Ferrers | 675 c635-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may intervene before the Minister sits down. It is commendable that she said tha...
Lord Alli | 675 c679 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 45:"Line 4, after ““belief;”” insert ““to enable provision to be made about disc...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c679 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill do now pass.
Moved, that the Bill do now pass.—(Baroness Ash...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c675-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment No. 35, which has been moved so eloquently by my noble friend...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c675 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment.
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c677 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 40:"Page 42, line 41, leave out ““or harassment of,””"
On Question, amendment a...
Baroness Whitaker | 675 c676-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a pity that there is not one more stage to the Bill, so I would have a chance to stu...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c677-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 42:"Page 46, line 40, at end insert ““(but nothing in that Table permits anythin...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c677 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 41:"After Clause 80, insert the following new clause—"
““PART 2A
DISCRIMINATIO...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 675 c679 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I associate myself with the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Lester.
On Question, amendmen...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c678-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, since the noble Baroness, Lady Lockwood, is not a free woman but is sitting on the Woolsac...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c679 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 43:"Page 55, line 35, leave out subsection (3) and insert—"
““(3) Paragraphs...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c679 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 44:"Page 67, line 7, at end insert—"
““(2) The Transition Commissioner nomin...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c674 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for the noble Lord’s agreement that race and religion are difficult to disen...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c673-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the Minister sits down, will she explain something? Let us suppose that a Pakistani...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c673 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I regret to say that I have to resist this amendment in the same way that we resisted it o...
Lord Dholakia | 675 c671-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 29:"After Clause 52, insert the following new clause—"
““MONITORING OF EXCE...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c671 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 24 to 28:"Page 32, line 20, leave out ““or harassment””""Page 33, line 42, lea...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c671 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 22:"Page 31, line 11, leave out ““, (2) or (3)”” and insert ““or (2)””"
On Ques...
Baroness Whitaker | 675 c675 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 35:"Page 37, line 19, leave out ““imposed”” and insert ““reasonably justified””"...
Lord Dholakia | 675 c674 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for her explanation. I remind her that we raised this matter...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c674-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 30 to 34:"Page 36, line 2, leave out ““or to unlawfully harass””""Page 36, lin...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c668 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 14:"Leave out Clause 45."
On Question, Whether the said amendment (No. 14) shal...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c667 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 13:"Page 27, line 19, at end insert—"
““(5) Action taken in connection with ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c670 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 17:"Page 29, line 41, leave out subsection (2)."
On Question, amendment agreed ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c670 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 15 and 16:"Page 28, line 39, leave out subsection (3).""Page 28, line 40, leav...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 675 c667 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I listened very carefully to the Minister with real regret—not just mild regret, but real,...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c667 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is right and I can see various people around the House nodding in agreement. However,...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c670 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 18 and 19:"Page 31, line 1, leave out ““or (2)(a)””""Page 31, line 7, leave ou...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c671 (Link to this contribution)
had given notice of her intention to move Amendment No. 20:"Page 31, line 8, leave out from ““above,...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c671 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, according to the brief, if Amendment No. 19 is agreed to, we cannot call Amendments Nos. 2...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c624 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am a human being and not a lawyer, although I did receive an honorary law degree yesterd...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c624-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to noble Lords for their applause, if I can call it that.
Nothing at a...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c624 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, WC Fields had to be reminded that even children are human beings. Speaking as a lawyer, I ...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 675 c624 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I suppose that being a lawyer and being a human being are not necessarily mutually exclusi...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 675 c622-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on Report I tried to have the Convention on the Rights of the Child referred to again expl...
Lord Morgan | 675 c623-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment and I have three reasons for doing so. First, the Children’s Commi...
Baroness Walmsley | 675 c620-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 5, line 1, after ““understanding”” insert ““among children and adults””"...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 675 c631-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to congratulate my noble friend Lord Alli on the persistence with which he ha...
Earl Ferrers | 675 c632-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness says that she is in favour of not discriminating against people, which ...
Baroness O'Cathain | 675 c630-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Newcastle, I welcome the principle of non-di...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 675 c631 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like the noble Baroness, Lady O’Cathain, and the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Newc...
Lord Waddington | 675 c633 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I join those who have already expressed concern about the amendments. No one who has follo...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 675 c633-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments and urge the House not to undervalue its own powers of scrutiny o...
Baroness Lockwood | 675 c633 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I fully support these amendments. I am a little surprised at the way in which the debate i...
Baroness O'Cathain | 675 c633 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the noble Baroness sits down perhaps I may say that the point that I raised about p...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 675 c634 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I welcome those developments, which make it possible to examine the provisions of subordin...
Baroness Richardson of Calow | 675 c634 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should not want the House to assume that all those with a religious faith are automatica...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c626 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, am I right in thinking that when Clause 9 refers to ““human rights””, it definitely refers...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c626 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord is absolutely correct.
I would like to say three things. First, I give you...
Lord Morgan | 675 c626 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister has cited the opinion of parliamentary counsel, saying that if one put ““chil...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 675 c626-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as my noble friend Lord Morgan will know from earlier stages of the Bill, one thing I am k...
Baroness Walmsley | 675 c627 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my ambition in life is to satisfy parliamentary counsel in the drafting of an amendment. I...
Lord Alli | 675 c627-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 3:"Page 7, line 39, at end insert—"
““(ea) regulations under Part 2A of this...
Lord Smith of Finsbury | 675 c628-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, I support my noble friend Lord Alli in proposing his amendments. In the 21st centur...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 675 c629 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that the noble Lord, Lord Alli, will also feel able to thank me. I have every sympa...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c629 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very privileged to find myself supporting the noble Lords, Lord Alli and Lord Smith o...
Bishop of Newcastle | 675 c629-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too welcome the principle of non-discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation and...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 675 c656 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have put my name to this group of amendments mainly because, during the passage of this ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 675 c671 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 23:"Page 31, line 35, leave out subsection (2)."
On Question, amendment agreed ...
Baroness Lockwood | 675 c671 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is the noble Baroness not moving Amendment No. 20?
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