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Violent Crime Reduction Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 20 June 2005, in the House of Commons, led by Charles Clarke. The answering member was David Davis.
Violent Crime Reduction Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion for proceedings on Committee, Report and Third reading agreed to on question (formal). Money resolution agreed to on question (formal).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

435 c541-627 

Session

2005-06

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Second reading

Procedure

Programme motions
Money resolutions

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Violent Crime Reduction Bill. Explanatory Notes Bill 10-EN also published
Wednesday, 8 June 2005
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Government reply to the fifth report from the Home Affairs Committee session 2004/05 on antisocial behaviour (HC 80).
Thursday, 9 June 2005
Command papers
House of Commons
Antisocial behaviour. Home Affairs Select Committee fifth report, in three volumes, with proceedings, evidence (HC 80 i-vi not printed separately) and appendices.
Tuesday, 22 March 2005
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

David Burrowes | 435 c575-8 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for allowing me the privilege of making my maiden speech today. I beg...
Lynda Waltho | 435 c578-81 (Link to this contribution) It gives me great pleasure, Mr. Deputy Speaker, to make my maiden speech and to follow the hon. Memb...

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Speaker | 435 c604 (Link to this contribution) Order. I remind hon. Members that the time limit on Back-Bench speeches is now six minutes.
Speaker | 435 c601 (Link to this contribution) Order. As a significant number of Members are still seeking to catch my eye, in accordance with the ...
Speaker | 435 c573 (Link to this contribution) Order. I remind Members that Mr. Speaker has imposed a 10-minute limit on Back-Bench speeches.
Mark Oaten | 435 c543 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary explain how the new offence will differ from the offence involving drunk and...
Charles Clarke | 435 c542-3 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend. Blackpool is one of the parts of the country where all sectors of the c...
Joan Humble | 435 c542 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend mentioned the responsibility of the licensees and the licensed premises. Does h...
Charles Clarke | 435 c543 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is entirely correct, and the short answer is yes, it will. The drinking banning order...
Hugh Bayley | 435 c543 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, under current legislation, magistrates can impose a drinking ban on somebody con...
Charles Clarke | 435 c541-2 (Link to this contribution) There is no inconsistency at all, for reasons that I am about to explain. It is obviously true that...
Richard Ottaway | 435 c541 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the proposals in the Bill, but cannot the Home Secretary see the inconsistency between the...
Charles Clarke | 435 c542 (Link to this contribution) We will consider such aspects. The Licensing Act 2003 and the Bill allow local authorities in the Wi...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 435 c542 (Link to this contribution) The Anti-social Behaviour Act 2003 gives local authorities the powers to try to prevent the cumulati...
Charles Clarke | 435 c541 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. I rise to invite the House to give a Second...
Hazel Blears | 435 c622-6 (Link to this contribution) We have had an excellent debate with contributions from 27 hon. Members, which tells us that the sub...
Helen Jones | 435 c601-4 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the two hon. Members who have made their maiden speeches tonight. I...
Jeremy Wright | 435 c604-5 (Link to this contribution) I agree with a great deal of what the hon. Member for Warrington, North (Helen Jones) said. I add my...
Mike Weir | 435 c599 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will know that in Scotland there is a great deal of cross-party consensus on the need...
Elfyn Llwyd | 435 c599 (Link to this contribution) I apologise if I misunderstood the hon. Gentleman. I accept what he says, of course. The offence of...
Elfyn Llwyd | 435 c599-601 (Link to this contribution) Definitely. Clearly, if such a scheme works in Scotland, it can be emulated south of the border and ...
Diane Abbott | 435 c596-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in this important debate. I should like to focus on the i...
Elfyn Llwyd | 435 c598-9 (Link to this contribution) I compliment the hon. Members for Enfield, Southgate (Mr. Burrowes) and for Stourbridge (Lynda Walth...
Richard Burden | 435 c599 (Link to this contribution) With respect, I did not make the comment that the hon. Gentleman attributes to me. The point that I ...
Iain Wright | 435 c617-8 (Link to this contribution) I pay tribute to the excellent maiden speeches by the hon. Member for Enfield, Southgate (Mr. Burrow...
Stephen Hesford | 435 c616-7 (Link to this contribution) I have only six minutes in which to speak, so I shall curtail what I was going to say. I welcome thi...
David Jones | 435 c615-6 (Link to this contribution) It is clear from the contributions from hon. Members on both sides of the House that violent disorde...
Stephen Crabb | 435 c612-3 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for calling me to participate in this important debate. First, I wa...
David Kidney | 435 c610-2 (Link to this contribution) I want to focus on alcohol and on some of the work being done in Stafford. The backdrop is Staffords...
Lord Beamish | 435 c608-9 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Stourbridge (Lynda Waltho) and the hon. Member for Enfi...
Christopher Fraser | 435 c609-10 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Enfield, Southgate (Mr. Burrowes), who made a fine maid...
Jeff Ennis | 435 c605-6 (Link to this contribution) Like most hon. Members, I support many if not all the Bill’s provisions. There is some consensus amo...
Tobias Ellwood | 435 c606-8 (Link to this contribution) It is clear from many of the contributions from both sides of the House that this is an important su...
Steve McCabe | 435 c569 (Link to this contribution) What does the hon. Gentleman think is more important: speculating about a possible impact on propert...
Mark Oaten | 435 c569 (Link to this contribution) I am not arguing that at all. It is the job of the Opposition to ask such questions in Committee and...
Robert Flello | 435 c569 (Link to this contribution) Surely the hon. Gentleman is missing the point. Do not people who live in such areas already have th...
John Denham | 435 c570 (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Gentleman considered the fact that at least one midlands police force has estimated tha...
Mark Oaten | 435 c570-1 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. The cost of dealing with the problems caused by this kind of behaviour is enormous. The ...
James Clappison | 435 c571 (Link to this contribution) This point might need further exploration in Committee, but does the hon. Gentleman at least recogni...
Mark Oaten | 435 c571-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his intervention, because that issue will certainly have to ...
John Pugh | 435 c573 (Link to this contribution) Clause 35 states:"““A person who exercises a power under this section may use such force as is reaso...
Mark Oaten | 435 c573 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. It will be necessary to tie down the guidelines, to work with teachers’ uni...
David Davis | 435 c562 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. That is one of the reasons—only one of the reasons—why one of our policies ...
Lord Beamish | 435 c562-3 (Link to this contribution) I am very interested in the right hon. Gentleman’s speech, which is obviously a leadership bid to th...
Lord Bellingham | 435 c562 (Link to this contribution) Is my right hon. Friend aware that a large percentage of drug users picked up the habit while in pri...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 435 c565 (Link to this contribution) : Before my right hon. Friend moves on to knives, I should like to bring him back to his observation...
John Denham | 435 c565-6 (Link to this contribution) That may be true, though I have yet to see the evidence that makes it believable. It is certainly an...
David Davis | 435 c563 (Link to this contribution) That question barely justifies a response, but I shall give it one. The hon. Gentleman’s opening rem...
John Denham | 435 c563-5 (Link to this contribution) Over the past few years, the Government have achieved significant success in reducing crime overall,...
Mark Oaten | 435 c567-9 (Link to this contribution) I welcome many of the Bill’s provisions. There is no doubt that violent crime is a serious problem i...
Robert Flello | 435 c566 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend accept that there is a culture whereby young people start to carry knives ...
John Denham | 435 c566-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. There is little published evidence to tell us why knife car...
Diane Abbott | 435 c591 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady agree that last orders is not the heart of the problem? There is something distin...
Baroness Featherstone | 435 c591-2 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Lady that there seems to be a British malaise. Additionally, people seem to ha...
Richard Burden | 435 c592-4 (Link to this contribution) Every hon. Member has said that tackling violent crime and intimidatory antisocial behaviour is a pr...
David Gauke | 435 c594-6 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate those hon. Members who have made their maiden speech today. The hon. Member for Stour...
Sally Keeble | 435 c589-90 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my hon. Friend is right. We do not realise the profound impact of crime arising dire...
Baroness Featherstone | 435 c590 (Link to this contribution) I give a general welcome to the Bill, but there is a lot of devil in the detail, so much careful wor...
Stephen Hesford | 435 c591 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady accept that a historical reason why people drink themselves silly is last orders?...
Baroness Featherstone | 435 c591 (Link to this contribution) I accept that people drink themselves silly to get to last orders, but they also do so during happy ...
Steve McCabe | 435 c583-5 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the Bill and I gain the sense that many of us have been sent here by our constituents beca...
James Clappison | 435 c585-8 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Stourbridge (Lynda Waltho) and my hon. Friend the Mem...
Speaker | 435 c581 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am afraid that the hon. Lady has had her time. I call Richard Ottaway.
Richard Ottaway | 435 c581-3 (Link to this contribution) It is a privilege to follow the hon. Member for Stourbridge (Lynda Waltho) and I congratulate her on...
Gerald Kaufman | 435 c573-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Winchester (Mr. Oaten) complained that his party was depicted as being soft on c...
David Davis | 435 c558-9 (Link to this contribution) The answer is neither. I would extend the British crime survey to take on board all the things it no...
Charles Clarke | 435 c558 (Link to this contribution) If he were fortunate enough to become Home Secretary, would the right hon. Gentleman wind up the Bri...
Stephen Hesford | 435 c559 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman divide the House on the Bill tonight?
Christopher Fraser | 435 c557 (Link to this contribution) If someone uses a gun or firearm legitimately for their recreation and they need a replacement part,...
David Davis | 435 c558 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary offers the House yet another crime Bill. Violent crime is a massive problem, but ...
Charles Clarke | 435 c557-8 (Link to this contribution) By pointing to the truth of it. If someone legally holds a firearm in a licensed way and if he has p...
Baroness Featherstone | 435 c557 (Link to this contribution) What work has been done on how the number of people carrying guns will drop with the increased sente...
Charles Clarke | 435 c557 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s comments and pay tribute to his work on this subject. However, I ...
Charles Clarke | 435 c556 (Link to this contribution) We are still carefully examining that point and the related matter of sales on the internet. The del...
Nia Griffith | 435 c556 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary tell us what measures will be put in place to prevent the sale of replica gu...
John Denham | 435 c556 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend has produced a clear definition of an imitation firearm. However, I am worried ...
Charles Clarke | 435 c556 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate my hon. Friend’s support and pay tribute to the work that she has done. I remember from...
Charles Clarke | 435 c555 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is quite right to say that that is the kind of way to deal with the matter. As I said...
Nick Palmer | 435 c555 (Link to this contribution) As my right hon. Friend knows, I very much welcome the direction of the Bill, and I have previously ...
Charles Clarke | 435 c555 (Link to this contribution) I very much appreciate my hon. and learned Friend’s support. The phrase ““tangential support”” could...
Alistair Carmichael | 435 c551 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary refers to the tragic case of Andrew Morton, which has excited considerable press ...
Charles Clarke | 435 c551-2 (Link to this contribution) I have discussed that specific clause and the issue with both the First Minister and the Minister fo...
Charles Clarke | 435 c550-1 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend’s point is powerful and true—I have seen precisely that happen in some parts of the c...
Helen Jones | 435 c550 (Link to this contribution) In addition to the Bill’s provisions on dealing with those who persistently sell alcohol to children...
James Clappison | 435 c551 (Link to this contribution) If, as the Home Secretary says, it is right—I am sure that it is—that using a young person to mind o...
Charles Clarke | 435 c550 (Link to this contribution) I greatly respect the work of the Portman Group, which has worked very hard over the years—it is tru...
Elfyn Llwyd | 435 c550 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is being very generous in giving way. I greatly welcome what he has just sa...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 435 c555 (Link to this contribution) On this part of the Bill, will the Home Secretary accept my appreciation in respect of two matters? ...
Sian C James | 435 c553-4 (Link to this contribution) Can my right hon. Friend give any assurance to my constituent, Mr. Peter Dyson, who has written to m...
Charles Clarke | 435 c554-5 (Link to this contribution) I, too, have received correspondence on that matter and if my hon. Friend will allow me, I shall res...
Charles Clarke | 435 c553 (Link to this contribution) I certainly shall consider that proposal, which is a fair point to raise. Indeed, making it illegal ...
Robert Flello | 435 c553 (Link to this contribution) May I return briefly to an earlier point? Recently, an air weapon was fired into a school playground...
Charles Clarke | 435 c553 (Link to this contribution) The view taken at the time of the original devolution legislation was that the distribution of guns ...
Mike Weir | 435 c553 (Link to this contribution) Given the points made by the hon. Member for Edinburgh, North and Leith (Mark Lazarowicz), the Home ...
Charles Clarke | 435 c552-3 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right about the need for a similar regime throughout the UK. I can assure him and ...
Mark Lazarowicz | 435 c552 (Link to this contribution) Although the measures that my right hon. Friend has outlined are welcome, will he think again about ...
Charles Clarke | 435 c552 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to both hon. Members in a few moments, but I want first to set out what we intend t...
Charles Clarke | 435 c544 (Link to this contribution) I presume that that is not a request by the Liberal Democrats for the Identity Cards Bill to be brou...
Stephen Crabb | 435 c545 (Link to this contribution) Why has the number of convictions for being drunk and disorderly fallen from about 40,000 in 1984 to...
Charles Clarke | 435 c544-5 (Link to this contribution) Of course, a person would have recourse to the police complaints procedure, and to getting his or he...
David Howarth | 435 c544 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to understand the place of local authorities in the strategy that is being put forward. ...
Charles Clarke | 435 c543-4 (Link to this contribution) Very much so. We shall look very carefully at their effectiveness not only before the legislation co...
John Pugh | 435 c544 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, there would be no criminal accusation made in regard to someone being asked to l...
Charles Clarke | 435 c544 (Link to this contribution) The orders are different, and the key relationships are those between the local authority on the one...
David Davis | 435 c543 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary will remember that, when we were discussing the so-called 24-hour drinking propos...
David Jones | 435 c546 (Link to this contribution) Does the Home Secretary agree that much of the disorder on our streets is caused not only by those w...
Charles Clarke | 435 c546 (Link to this contribution) I think it is because the partnerships between local authorities, police and licensees are not anywh...
Elfyn Llwyd | 435 c546 (Link to this contribution) Why do so few convictions occur each year for the selling of alcohol on licensed premises to people ...
Charles Clarke | 435 c545-6 (Link to this contribution) I will give way when I have made a little more progress. It is difficult to blame a particular pub,...
Charles Clarke | 435 c545 (Link to this contribution) I think that there is an issue of enforcement generally. The Bill’s key message is that powers need ...
Charles Clarke | 435 c548 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to respond to such a well informed contribution. I certainly will liaise with the Lord...
David Lepper | 435 c547-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend. I welcome the proposals that the Home Secretary has put before us and has j...
Charles Clarke | 435 c548 (Link to this contribution) I accept what my hon. Friend says. I was fortunate enough to visit her in Stockton a couple of month...
Dari Taylor | 435 c548 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend accept that a change in attitude and behaviour is taking place in Stockton...
John Bercow | 435 c546-7 (Link to this contribution) Further to the inquiry of my hon. Friend the Member for Clwyd, West (Mr. Jones), may I put it to the...
Charles Clarke | 435 c547 (Link to this contribution) First, let me say that this Government have given more attention to the issue of drug abuse than any...
John Denham | 435 c547 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that the problem of alcohol-related disorder appears to affect all c...
Charles Clarke | 435 c547 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the answer to that question is no, not because I disagree with my right hon. Friend’s an...
Jeremy Wright | 435 c549 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary will agree that the measures in the Bill, worthy as they may be, will only work i...
Charles Clarke | 435 c549 (Link to this contribution) In a spirit of co-operation, as always, I will be happy to write to the right hon. Gentleman with th...
David Davis | 435 c549 (Link to this contribution) Would the Home Secretary let us know the outcome of his investigation into this matter? The Sunday T...
Charles Clarke | 435 c548-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is referring to a story in the newspapers whose source I am still trying to disco...
Charles Clarke | 435 c549-50 (Link to this contribution) Yes. The fifth measure in the Bill is the crime of persistently selling alcohol to children. The Ho...
Charles Clarke | 435 c548 (Link to this contribution) First, there is a clear difference between the way in which the law treats ““good”” and ““bad”” land...
Tobias Ellwood | 435 c548 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary clarify the role of the armed forces in relation to the police, as we are ge...
Dawn Butler | 435 c613-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute to the Second Reading of this important Bill. The O...
Charles Clarke | 435 c557 (Link to this contribution) People who carry a gun can be given up to 12 months. There is a lot of speculation about what differ...
Steve McCabe | 435 c556-7 (Link to this contribution) I join other hon. Members in applauding the Home Secretary for taking action on imitation weapons. I...
Diane Abbott | 435 c555-6 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the worries of colleagues who are concerned about societies involved in games and re-en...
Charles Clarke | 435 c543 (Link to this contribution) Drunk and disorderly behaviour is specifically an offence relating to someone’s drinking. The new of...
Charles Clarke | 435 c546 (Link to this contribution) The drugs issues were addressed in the Drugs Bill, which became an Act at the end of the last Parlia...
David Lepper | 435 c547 (Link to this contribution) May I first put on the record a non-registrable interest, in that my wife chairs the licensing commi...
Baroness Featherstone | 435 c548 (Link to this contribution) Does the Home Secretary agree that there may be a lack of incentive for good landlords if they are t...
David Davis | 435 c559-62 (Link to this contribution) I will not give the hon. Gentleman advance whipping advice. He should talk to his own Whips Office i...
Humfrey Malins | 435 c618-22 (Link to this contribution) I begin, as always in these debates, by declaring an interest. I am a solicitor by background and I ...
Mark Oaten | 435 c569-70 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that we are disagreeing on this issue. I am simply trying to think through the conseq...
Sally Keeble | 435 c588-9 (Link to this contribution) I join the tributes to the two hon. Members who made their maiden speeches. In particular, my hon. F...
Charles Clarke | 435 c556 (Link to this contribution) I accept what my right hon. Friend says, but this is a difficult area of definition. One of the argu...
Charles Clarke | 435 c551 (Link to this contribution) There is a case for that and I am prepared to consider amendments to that effect in Committee. It is...

Subjects

Children
Criminal proceedings
Crime prevention
Crime
Alcoholic drinks
Crimes of violence
Anti-social behaviour
Airguns
Licensing
Firearms
Imitation firearms
Licensed premises
Drunkenness
Misuse
Offensive weapons
Public order offences
Sales
Schools
Young people
Sexual offences
Right of search
Drinking banning orders
Alcohol disorder zones
Night-time economy

Legislation

Violent Crime Reduction Bill 2005-06

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