Distribution of Dormant Account Money (Apportionment) Order 2011

My Lords, I have a long-standing interest in the question of dormant bank accounts. Indeed, at one stage I was an arbitrator on the claims resolution tribunal for dormant accounts in Switzerland. I have only one or two points to make on the order, the first of which concerns the question of distribution. As the Minister said, there were considerable discussions on this issue. She said that in the course of the discussions the devolved Administrations argued that the allocation of the money should be changed and that it should be distributed in relation to the various needs of the devolved areas, whereas the very good and helpful brief states that it does not take into account need. It is not the same thing. ““Need”” implies that certain groups of people have a need for money as against the overall allocation—which, presumably, will happen in the course of normal government decisions. In all events, could the Minister say what evidence the devolved Administrations produced to argue that it ought to be done on the basis of need? Whatever one thinks about the Barnett formula—and many views have been expressed about it, not least by the noble Lord, Lord Barnett—I have come to the conclusion of the Treasury that this is probably right way of doing it. The second point, which is interesting, is that this money is normally going to go, as I understand it, to the Big Lottery Fund. The money going to the devolved Administrations—I presume, the Minister will correct me if I am wrong—will be allocated by the fund. However there is also an intriguing passage in the Explanatory Memorandum, which states: "““With the Prime Minister’s announcement on 19 July 2010, England’s portion is committed to setting up a Big Society Bank, which will be a social investment wholesaler””." I am not at all clear what a ““social investment wholesaler”” is—perhaps the Minister could clarify that. But in all events it looks as though England will have its chunk allocated to the big society bank, whereas the other devolved Administrations will not. I understand and support the idea of a big society bank, and the idea of the big society, which the Prime Minister is understandably so enthusiastic about. But if that is so, why has an apparently arbitrary decision been taken, which I do not think is reflected at all in any of the legislation, that England’s portion shall go to the big society bank, rather than any of the other uses which the lottery fund might have used it for? Although we have a Big Lottery Fund which is responsible for making this kind of decision, it is apparently to be overruled in this case by the Prime Minister’s statement. I am not the least bit clear what the financial and legislative basis is for his decision to overrule that, and why—instead of the normal process of going through the Big Lottery Fund—we suddenly find it is to be done by a big society bank. No doubt that has not been set up yet. I presume there will be some delay, whereas if it went straight to the Big Lottery Fund, the money would be allocated immediately, or at least much sooner than it would under the arrangements set out in the Explanatory Memorandum. I would be most grateful if the Minister could clarify those particular points.