Offender Management Bill

My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Baroness for her remarks, particularly for her use of the word ““reasoned””. One of the purposes of the Motion is this should be reasoned. I am disappointed that the noble Lord, Lord Warner, should have almost entirely misunderstood what I was trying to say. Never at any time have any Members of this House who have been involved in the debates on the Bill had any idea that change should be put back. We were trying to make certain, as far as we could, that change was reasoned and that all the implications had been explored. I was seeking from the noble and learned Baroness, and she has given, an assurance that this and all the matters raised would be considered. She made the very reasonable remark that we cannot afford not to move on. I could not agree more. But we can only afford not to go on if we are prepared to pay the costs that will be incurred by making the movement that is suggested. Therefore, one assumes that the Government are going forward prepared to meet the costs that I forecast will be there, which have not yet emerged from our debate. I take this opportunity to thank all those who have taken part in the debate and who have raised many interesting points. In doing so, an awful lot of issues have surfaced. I know from talking to them that many members of the Probation Service have been particularly glad that their service, in addition to receiving the additional resources that the noble and learned Baroness has mentioned, has had its whole raison d’être and the raison d’être and motivation of its members discussed in a way that has given them a higher profile than they perhaps have enjoyed for some time. It is an added benefit for them that they feel that they are better understood. In the spirit of the reassurance that I have had from the noble and learned Baroness, and the reasoned approach that I understand to be taken by the new Ministry of Justice, I beg leave to withdraw the Motion. Motion E1, by leave, withdrawn. On Question, Motion E agreed to. 35: Page 23, line 1, leave out ““under”” and insert ““or regulations under- ““(aa) section 5(1) or (3)(c),”” The Commons agree to Lords Amendment No. 35 to which they have made the following Amendment- 35A: Line 2, leave out ““5(1) or (3)(c)”” and insert ““5(3)(c)””