Legal Services Bill [Lords]

I used to attend industrial tribunals on a weekly basis, as an unqualified solicitor and as a trade union official, and given some of the pathetic barristers that I had to deal with, I never saw myself as a second-class citizen. Does the hon. Gentleman agree that what a trade union official or layperson can do is quite limited? There were only two sets of proceedings that I used to appear in: one was industrial tribunals, and the other was county court proceedings, in which anyone can represent themselves. In terms of the scope of the legal services, one has to be legally qualified to represent people at a higher level—for example, if a case goes to appeal.