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Charities Bill [HL]

Proceeding contribution from Baroness Pitkeathley (Labour) in the House of Lords on Tuesday, 7 June 2005. It occurred during Debate on bills on Charities Bill [HL].
My Lords, here we are again. I said in my Second Reading speech on the Bill that was sadly lost before the election that, if it had become law absolutely as it stood, I would have been content. There are many people in the charitable sector who were bitterly disappointed at what transpired, and I must include myself in that. However, those of us who have worked most of our lives in or with the voluntary and community sector have learnt to be flexible and to take a positive view of most eventualities. That is what we should do now—to celebrate the improvements made to the Bill as a result of our earlier deliberations and, above all, to resolve that this time the Bill should reach the statute book with as much speed as can be accomplished. We have waited long enough and the Bill is good enough for there to be no excuse for delay. I must declare specific interests, as well as those of longevity of interest in the sector. I am president of Volunteering England, a member of the advisory council of NCVO, vice-president of Carers UK, the Princess Royal Trust for Carers and the Parkinson’s Disease Society, and president of a local community council. In addition, I am chair of the advisory panel on Futurebuilders, which has a particular interest in developing the role of the voluntary and community sector in the delivery of public services. In relation to that, I want to point out again that the Bill does not stand alone in its relation to the voluntary sector. It is part of a constellation of measures that the Government have initiated and put into place. In the   40 or so years that I have spent working with the sector, I have heard and seen many a government review, proposal and initiative with the voluntary sector. In that regard, I too have very happy memories of Lady Blatch when she was in a ministerial position. All those initiatives have focused on recognising the huge contribution of the sector—its ability to play a part in what we now call civil renewal or community cohesion—and they have all been welcome. However, it is safe to say that no government have taken support of and engaged with the charitable sector as seriously as the past two Labour governments, nor shown their commitment by putting so much real money in the way of the sector. The Futurebuilders programme itself, which came out of the Treasury cost-cutting review and which we hope will show that the charitable sector can be a core provider of public services and justify major public investment, is one initiative. The ChangeUp programme, aimed at supporting the infrastructure of the sector, is another. So is the creation of the post of Minister for Communities, as is the support for volunteering. All those are important parts of the support that this Government and their predecessor have committed, which will enable charities to play their full part in service provision and tackling social justice. The Bill must be seen in that context. It too will play a significant part in enabling charities better to define their purpose and ensure their proper regulation. I very much welcome the introduction of the universal public benefit test and the extension of the   categories of charity to 12. I am also content that the Charity Commission will decide whether charities meet the test. At the previous Second Reading, I expressed my confidence that the Charity Commission under its new leadership would administer the test robustly, to the extent of removing charities from the register if they failed to meet the test. I am even more confident now, having seen at first hand the success, experience and skill of the new leadership at the Charity Commission. We have an additional safeguard in that a new subsection has been added, stating that:"““In the exercise of its functions the Commission shall not be subject to the direction or control of any Minister of the Crown or other government department””." I hope that that will allay the anxieties of those who fear that the Charity Commission might come under too much influence from its sponsoring department. During the passage of the previous Bill, we considered an amendment from the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, to strengthen the public benefit test for charities charging high fees. I hope that the Government may be willing to   accept a similar amendment this time, to ensure maximum possible protection for the end users of charitable services, who should after all always be at the forefront of our mind as we consider the Bill. In that regard, we should also ensure that cost does not preclude poor charities from appealing against Charity Commission decisions, as the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, reminded us. I also support NCVO’s proposal for a suitors’ fund; that should seriously be considered. I am also pleased to see the addition to the Bill which ensures that the commission’s regulatory activities should be proportionate, accountable, consistent, transparent and targeted only at cases in which action is needed. The ““one size fits all”” character of the Charity Commission’s interventions in the past has often resulted in overregulation for small, informally run charities, and perhaps not enough regulation for larger charities, which operate in many ways as major service providers in the public sector. The primary purpose of regulation must be the upholding of public confidence, so the extra regulation of fundraising is welcome too. On the whole, public confidence in charities is high but the rare fundraising scandals do not help. My personal experience of two difficult issues gives me reason to applaud two provisions in the Bill. The first is the formation of the new type of charity, the CIO. Anyone who has run a charity that is subject to both charity law and company law will know how much extra work that entails. As someone who struggled to merge two charities, I am delighted with the role now given to the Charity Commission to facilitate that. I record again my gratitude to the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, who helped me do that; he did not do it by magic—it was a struggle—but we accomplished it, and I am glad that mergers will be simpler. I do not share the anxiety of some about the Charity Commission giving advice to charities. Charities usually need as much advice as they can get. If sometimes that might include advice not to set up a charity, that would be helpful. It is controversial to say so, but the setting up of endless small charities in the memory of every child who unfortunately dies, which then compete endlessly for money and attention with other small charities, is not always helpful to the cause or the charitable sector as a whole. However, it is perfectly understandable that bereaved parents wish to take such action. If the Charity Commission gave advice about that or other matters, it would be vital that it be clear whether it were in advisory or regulatory mode. There has been confusion about that in the past so the separation of functions is vital, but there is no reason whatever why that could not be ensured. I am sure that the Charity Commission would be more than willing to make that important distinction clear. There is one area where I feel that the Bill has not taken the opportunities that it could have done, which is the strengthening of encouragement to giving. I am not talking about fundraising, where the new proposals are satisfactory, but of the promotion of philanthropy. The insertion of the new clause protecting the identity of those who set up charitable trusts and information about individual grants is most welcome, but more could have been done to make the development and promotion of philanthropy more central to public life. It is an area in which we still have a long way to go in this country. We saw in relation to the tsunami how generous the British people can be. Should we not do more to encourage them? This is an historic Bill, not only because it may be very rare in having been mentioned in three Queen’s Speeches, but because it has been so long awaited. Let us ensure that it has a swift and successful passage through your Lordships’ House.

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Reference

672 c797-9 

Session

2005-06

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
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